Ok time to start more drama.

It’s long so buckle up.

Here’s a little background. About 3 months ago I was promoted and was transferred to open a new store as a department manager. During this time was when I met this girl. She was also promoted from another store in the area and was transferred to open the new store. She’s also a department manager but at the front service desk. Let’s call her Emma, cause she looks like Emma Watson.

So anywho, during these past months I’ve only been talking to her here and there. Just blah blah about me having problems with v.1 Girl, work, and such nothing more. Or so I thought. (so yes she knows alittle about my background (other thread))

FYI – she always hangs out with another department manager(a guy. we’ll call him T) since the store opening. they always seem to be together. more on this later.

This past Wednesday(10/25) I was up at the service desk talking to a co-worker(she worked with me at the old store and was transferred to this store. we’ll call her D). We were just talking and then Emma walked up and joined in. Out of no where D says:

D: You two would look cute together. You guys should hook up.
Emma: I don’t think so. His parents wouldn’t approve. I’m white with a kid.
Me:

At this point Emma walks away.

D: Smile more.

Me: ok. I walk away.

Later that day Emma asks me if i want to go have drinks with her and T(she knows I don’t drink). I said i couldn’t because I was closing the store that night. I brush it off.

Thrusday(10/26) I worked. After work I went out with a couple co-workers. I also go work out with these guys. We’ll call them G and H.

INFO – I knew G had a crush on Emma. But the guy is in his 40′s. His son was her age.

Anywho G, H, and I went out to go drinking after work. It was around 8pm. G is already wasted. Being an ass all the way around. I get a text:

***** txt: When do you work tomorrow?

At this point I don’t know who this is. G and H see me looking at the phone and asks who it is. I said I don’t know but they know me. The guys tell me to asks who it is.

Me txt: who is this?
***** txt: It’s Emma.

me: guys it’s Emma.
G: what? you’re joking right?
me: *shows G the txt*
G: you dog. you know i asked her out but got shot down right? what does she want?
me: dude, how should i know?
G: ask her what’s she’s doing. just don’t tell her that I’m here.

Me txt: Hey, what’s going on?
Emma txt: not much. what are you doing?
Me txt: out drinking with the guys.
Emma txt: I thought you said you didn’t drink.
me txt: i normally don’t.
emma txt: should you be?
me txt: i’m not drinking beer if that makes a difference. what are you up to?

blah blah.

me txt: forgive me in advance if i drunk call you later tonight.
emma txt: you can call if you want. just be very careful.

me and the guys finish the night.

She has never txt me before. I thought this was odd. It left me thinking.

Friday(10/27) I am off this day. I run errands. then decided to txt her just to see.

Me txt: So when do you work today?
Emma txt: I’m off.
Me txt: Have you had lunch yet?
Emma txt: I have to get my son in a bit. haven’t had lunch yet.
Me txt: Would you like to have lunch with me afterwards?
Emma txt: I will go before.

So we meet at the restaurant where she was close to. just had lunch and chit chatted.

I find out that there was nothing between her and T. she told me. i didn’t ask. she told me that they were just good friends. but she can’t talk to him anymore because she was the cause of T and his fiance’s breakup. Fiance found Emma’s number in T’s phone and went psycho..

she also tells me that she had planned to go to some haunted house but decided not to go anymore because her ex-husband made a big deal about her asking his brother to go with her.

we blah blah moar.

Later that night I text her.

Me txt: I know it’s late but do you still want to go to that haunted house thing?
Emma txt: i would love to but i will take a raincheck. i enjoyed your company today.

Didn’t think much more about any of it.

Saturday (10/28) I worked 2-11 pm. meaning I close the store. Emma worked one of the earlier shifts. we chit chat here and there. that’s all. she leaves the store at around 6 pm. she calls me through the store phone:

Emma: I’m leaving now. When do you get off work?
Me: I close today.
Emma: Your offer to take me to the haunted house still stands?
Me: of course. but i can’t tonight i close
Emma: If i can get you off early will you go?
Me: of course. but how will you be able to get me off early?
Emma: I’ll take care of it. Bye.
Me: okay?

5 mins later the store manager calls me and tells me that another manager approved me leaving early. she told me that i can leave at 8. i was like

about 6:30 ish rolls around. i get a text:

Emma txt: So did they call you yet to tell you can leave early?
Me txt: lol yes. what did you do?
Emma txt: I talked to **** (manager). she’s like my mom. i told her you needed to take off early because we had plans.
me txt: well thanks.
Emma txt: you can change your mind about going tonight.
me txt: why would i do that? I’m excited to take you.
Emma txt: just putting it out there that you can change your mind.
Me txt. well i’m not changing my mind
Emma txt: ok.

8 rolls around and i am about to leave. Manager that told me that i had permission from the other manager calls me and says that i need to stay another hour since there is no coverage in 3 different departments.

I had to txt Emma:

Me txt: they are making me stay because there is no coverage in the back half of the store. would 9 be too late for you?
Emma txt: you still want to go?
Me txt: of course
Emma txt: i will make an exception.

So at 9 i head to go pick up Emma and we had a great time at the haunted house thing. it was a lengthy drive and i got to talk to her more. we go to get something to eat afterwards. she wanted to pay so i let her. i take her home. it’s about 1am we get to her house:

Emma: i’d invite you to come in but it’s late. i’ll see you at work tomorrow.
Me: alright bye.

I go home.

Sunday(10/29). We work 10-7. again at work we chat here and there. we take lunch together. 7 comes up and we leave. i head out with the guys to go drink and watch the game.

Monday(10/30). We both work the early shift. had lunch together again. i leave work at 4. we txt back and fourth till 10pm:

Emma txt: see you tomorrow
Me txt. i wish. i’m off tomorrow
Emma txt: oh that’s right. you wish?
Me txt: yes. i’m off so i won’t be able to see you. when do you work?
Emma txt: *:**-*:**. why?
Me txt: nothing
Emma txt:no really?
Me txt: so i can’t ask you when you work?
Emma txt: i guess you are entitled to do so
Me txt: besides if i really wanted i can always call the store and find out your hours.
Emma txt: I guess if it’s that important to you then you could do that.
Me txt: I just wanted to know when you work so i would know when to come by and take you to lunch.
Emma txt: You are becoming a habit.
Me txt: you could say no. there’s always an option.
Emma txt: Why would i do that?

blah blah and more blah blah till she decides to go to sleep.

Today tuesday (10/31)

I text her and ask how she was. she’s having a shitty day:

Me txt: how are you?
Emma txt: very unhappy now.
Me txt: what’s wrong?
Emma txt: just a bad day. i want to leave early.
Me txt: then go. take off early and just go home.
Emma txt: but then I won’t see you today.
Me txt: but you’re having a bad day. don’t you just want to go home and rest? unless you think seeing me today will make you feel any better.

blah blah moar.

I’m working my other job. she texts me and asks me what I am doing now. she’s at her house. I tell her I’ll be done in a couple hours. she tells me to inform her after i am done. I finish my work and asks her if she still wanted to go out and eat. she says yes and i pick her up and we go for supper, talk, take her home. Dropping her off i meet her ex husband. he’s dropping off their son. it was awkward. i was like . she invites me to come in. we talk more till i leave since it was getting late.

So at this point i dunno if she wants me to be a friend or what. Am i replacing T as her friend since she can’t talk to him anymore? I dunno and i don’t want to make a move until i find out because i still work with the girl. i don’t want it to become awkward at work.

i think i need to stop seeing people from work lol
You’re on a roll.

I seriously thought after the first girl, it’d be a long while before you do anything with another lady.

But yeah, reiteriating from other thread: Don’t let your parents control you and don’t draw out things too long, if you see an opportunity to get laid, grab it!

Good luck, brosef!
Well, you’re obviously interested in her but you have 2 choices :
1) escalate
2) back off a little because it gets weird to see her that much but do nothing.

Mm agreed here. As she said ‘you’re becoming a habit,’ if you are you better be moving things along. Just don’t make the same mistakes as last time, that’s the point.

But anyway in for another 30 pages of action
stop seeing people from work it will get complicated and blow up in your face

Me txt: besides if i really wanted i can always call the store and find out your hours.

not that I’m a love god, but just in the furture I would’nt say that as you come off as clingy and almost irrational. Like are you going to call her mother to find out her favorite color? In this case it didnt matter b/c shes all over you and you seem to both be using higher powers to get shit on the roll. Also remember im not a love god, just an opinon.

I’d also like to throw down mad props to you. If I knew you in person I’d be supportive as fuck your doing great and keep going strong. I enjoy reading your stories and I read the last one.

If this gets serious IE more than friends/buttlove than you gotta deal with ex hubby remember. Also notice how they interact that will clue you to how your future with her might be.

otherwise mad props keep it up! But like 18c said gl with work ladies esp. this one. If you fuck up she has the power to get your fired it would seem. Careful.

I agree.

On a seperate note, stop the texting or at least slow it down. If you have to use it, fine, but try to talk in person more. Also, ask her out on a real date and not lunch. All of these lunch breaks and you guys haven’t kissed or anything… it’s starting to look like friendville shortly. Get a real date planned and take her out. Once it is over do not leave the date without KISSING her. It’s time… no well past time, for you to start taking this towards a offical dating relationship. You don’t need to stop and talk about it, just start directing it towards one by setting up real dates and kissing her/making out. It’s time you see where this goes.

Exactly.

Learn from your other experience… she seems like she likes you, its time to test the waters more.
You should also work on relaxing and… not obsessing over this stuff to the point that you are even able to type such a detailed account. Kiss the girl. Your style seems… wait for a moment, late at night and then… ask if you can kiss her. Then do that shit.
Good job man! reading that was like a 21st century romance novel…lol. seriously though it sounds like you two will click. If you really like her, keep on the pursuit and dont let another man get in your way!

PS. keep us posted

yeah, what he said.
I think shes kind of into you. Keep chilling with her and see what happens.
first of all…. in for another novel

second of all…. where’s the leprechan you caught and how can i get one? Never have I heard of someone with no game having this happen once, let alone twice. Maybe its the ’40 year old virgin’ allure

thirdly…. as others have noted, dont obsess so much, that part of the convo about her hours stuck out like a sore thumb

lastly… she’s definitely showing signs of interest, next time you see her, plan to kiss her, so make plans to wind up someplace where she and you can feel comfortable kissing.
interesting read. She’s sending mixed signals though…
that was a good, smooth read. kept my attention, lol.

sounds like a good thing to me though, but like was said above, watch out for friendville.. that’s what i’d be worried about right now. go to the movies or something like that where you could hold her hand.

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In for more OT crack

Oh, and the best advice I can give you is to kiss her – ASAP.

Edit: in on page 1, in-case of another epic
Why did I have to come into this thread and read it? WHY?!

Crack indeed.
About that hours/schedule part. I was joking with her about it. It wasn’t stalker like stuff. She knew it.

Also about the obsessing part. I just have a good memory and I’m just replaying it.

Anywho, today’s little update.

So I was off with work from her today. But i still had work #2.

Woke up like 11 ish and texted her "good morning"

Text goes back and fourth blah blah.

Then I decided to just call her instead. We talk more about who is doing what today. I tell her what all i was doing. went something like this:

Me: So i got blah blah to do.
Emma: sounds like you have a full day of work. I guess I won’t be able to see you at all today then.

more blah blah

After that I do my work. with her texting me here and there.

I get done with work. She texts me and asks if i was done. I told her yes. She said she had to go meet her mom but asked if i had free time to meet with her before then. I told her yes and we met at starbucks and just talked for a while. Time came up for her to leave. I walked her to her car and told her that i’ll see her tomorrow. Then she goes:

Emma: You close tomorrow right?
Me: Yes.
Emma: Would you like to come over for supper tonight?
Me: Of couse.
Emma: Would 7 be fine?
Me: That sounds great.
Emma: What time do you need to get home? <—- she knew about that curfew thing
Me: It doesn’t matter.
Emma: Ok good. I have work late tomorrow. See you in a few.

So yeah. I got invited over to her house for supper.
how old are you? i ask because i’m not known to this curfew…and it sounds as though you are over the age of 21 (drinking)
Your threads are awesome and absolutely excruciating at the same time

You might have to make a move tonight, it’s looking good dude If it’s there, just do it, don’t over analyse it.

And bloody hell don’t let the family screw this up as well.

He had another loooooooong thread here, I believe he was something like 25, it’s just his parents are very controlling.
ok,
the thing you have to realize is —she is a MOM!!
And before you go jumping into anything, you have some serious thinking to do.
TRUSt me, think hard about it.
1. Kid isnt yours
2. Ex is still around and he is also the FATHER of thier child.
3. You still have a curfew?and your 25?
I dont say these things to scare you away. Just things you need to think about.
if there is anything you should’ve learned from last time it’s time to make a move. You dont have time to play this out you have many different ladies to sort through and see which ones work. Thats why you kiss her TONIGHT. If you don’t I think I’ll just give up on you. I remember last time how you acted when shit got serious.

Best of luck.

The worst part about this is the wait for an update, reading this shit is addicting.
she wants you to stay late, she has you in mind already. buckle your seat belts, and take the driver seat

If he comes back and says he pussed out, there’s absolutely no chance of my having any hope for him.

you fucker! update now!

and none of this ‘timed out’ stuff, copy it before you click post, just in case

will do. i do the copy thing now. learned my lesson.

good
dont mess with the crack addicts when their fix is near
Alright here’s what happened.

Around 6:30 ish i txt her.

Me txt: Offer for supper still stands?
Emma txt: Do you really want to drive all the way out here for just that?
Me txt: Most likely
Emma txt: Absolutely

blah blah on what i wanted to eat.

So I get there. We hang out with her son and talk. We eat. She puts the little guy to bed. TV in the background and we talk moar.

All this time when she’s sitting on the sofa. She has her arms crossed(this means she’s closed off right?). Anywho we talk more about this and that. It gets late. I tell her I need to jet. She says she’ll walk me to the door.

We get to the door and we talk even moar. Now she’s leaning back on the wall with arms behind her back. At this point we spend like another 30 mins at the door talking:

Me: It’s getting late.
Emma: I don’t want to keep you up.

She comes over for a hug.

*long hug* *she backs off* *i grab her hands*

Me: May I?

*she comes over and arms around my waist*

*LONG KISS*

That’s that.

Now the kicker is…. what the fuck am I doing with a single mom? Am I over my head on this? (thanks "D" for bringing this shit up. ) help?
You kissed her. It’s now official. You have proven that she is, in fact, interested.

If you have a problem with kids, you need to stop. If you don’t have a problem, enjoy what possibilities are before you….

I have no problem with kids.

single mothers have one thing going for them that no other woman does:

they’re forced by circumstance to be responsible, so they aren’t liable to run around like tramps and idiots. They want a man who can be reliable and stable. Watch how she handles her kid, and you’ll know if she’s a good woman or not.

If the kid doesn’t bother you, then there’s only one question left to ask: If the relationship progresses, would you mind raising another man’s child? With all that children entail. Once you have your answer to that question, you know your final answer.

That said, it’s unreasonable to expect your answer right away. First you will need to learn the value of the woman you have on your hands. Bear in mind that, at least until it gets serious, you wont be expected to raise the kid, or be anything other than patient when she has to interrupt the two of you to deal with him. And remember that he’s always going to come first.

.

Good job on the move.
You like her, she likes you. Does it change anything that she has a kid for you ?
If not, well, just wait and see how it progresses, we can’t predict how it will end up. If you’re both mature, it shouldn’t be a problem but you should focus on the positive things for now.

She handles her son with extreme care and patience.

The kid does not bother me one bit. For a 2 year old, he’s pretty cool.

Yes, I do realize that the little guy will always come first. I have no problem with that.
Ohhh yeah! Finally you’re learning.

All I can say now is, I can’t wait to hear what happens when your sister/dad find out you’re dating a white single mom

then i’d say proceed. You’re 25 now, kids should definitely be within the realm of ‘to be expected’

Its not like you’re making a commitment to marry the girl.
These threads are great, although Little creepy perhaps. If I was this chic or the last one I would be creeped out if I stumbled upon these threads with all their detail.

Oh well…in for future updates.

I learned.
Kiss her. Date her. See what happens. Use BIRTH CONTROL. As long as you are SURE on that point, you’re golden.

You always want to overcontrol the situation — just go in and experience.

Just like this outcome was more to your liking — because you learned and finally did what we exhorted you to do, last time around — try and extend that further to this situation.

Stop over-controlling, over-obsessing, over-analysing and start experiencing. Remember the birth control.

now go for it.
now that he’s got the girl, can we start undermining his confidence and make him think she’s using him, like we usually do on OT?

It is the inability to summarize and realize what is important and what is not in telling your story that shows a lack of perspective and calm.

Listen to teh Johan.
are you prepared to play daddy?
if not then i suggest you move on

he wont need to play daddy anytime in the near future

i don’t think she’s looking for a dad for her kid at this point. the kid’s dad is still around and they share custody. i think she just wants someone for her. someone correct me if i am wrong.

Anywho small update.

we both worked today. only saw her for bits at a time since we were busy. we did manage to go to lunch together.

Tonight we did a little impromptu thing. she asked if i wanted to go to her sister’s b-day party which was like an hours drive away. i said yes and picked her up after work.

The drive there we just talked about work and other things. blah blah

At the party we hung around each other most of the time. I met her dad. he was really cool towards me. I was an asian guy among 40 white people. oh it was also a jailbait pool party

Anywho, drive back. moar chit chat. we had lots of fun discussing what we assumed about each other. I had her genuinely laughing.

Drove back to work where her car was. We talked more in my car for about another 30 mins. It quieted down. So yup, I grabbed her hand, pulled her over and we made out.

After that, went around to open her door. Then we sucked face some more.

So that’s my day. Everything seems to be going smoothly so far.

so, this place you work seems to be a gold mine for rare girls. Think you could get me a job there?

And yes, the only time she’ll start expecting you to play daddy is when you start getting quite serious.

serious as in: considering moving in

lol. yeah my first time should be her first time?
Quick update.

We had work today. Saw her in and out during the day. Nothing exciting.

It was my time for lunch. Was walking to the back to clock out when my boss, the same lady that Emma called to let me off early, was in the back. I walked and and she told me that I could leave early today if I wanted. There was enough coverage. If not she will cover my shift. ( I was scheduled to close today)

Didn’t think anything of it.

During my lunch I got a txt from Emma saying she was taking off early to meet her parents for supper. I said ok, see you tomorrow.

When I got back from lunch, it went something like this:

Emma txt: (my boss’ name) brought to my attention that you have a big smile today. why is that?
Me: Must have been the energy pills that i took…
Emma txt: You should stay on those then.
Me txt: Lol you make me smile.
Emma txt: You make me smile too. You should seen the conversation that I had with (my boss’ name here). There were lots of grins.
Me txt: Lol why?
Emma txt: She told me that you were leaving early on my way out. She told me to have a good time.
Me txt: alright I am clocking out then if she already assumed that i am leaving early.
Emma txt: Where are you going?
Me txt: Probably home or go work out. Haven’t done that in a few days.
Emma txt: Have you considered (city where Emma lives goes here)?
Me txt: Should I consider that?
Emma txt: Only if you think that is in your best interest.

blah blah.

So, she still eating out with her parents. She’s going to tell me when she gets home.

Update later?
Congrats man, leaps and bounds, I’d still listen to Johan, Peyomp and Ameter, they’ve given some quality advice. And due to the success (or lack there of…. I kid, I kid) of your last thread I am thinking about fishing off the company pier myself

Do keep updating!!! And all the best!
Alright, here’s the update.

She called me after supper with the rents.

Asked me if I was still interested in coming over. I said sure why not? Then I was on my way.

The drive takes me about 30 mins to get there. I arrive and chill with her and her son who’s busy playing video games in his room. We split and went to the living room where we proceed to make out until the little guy wants us to play with him. We do that for a while. A little while later she puts him to bed where he kicks and screams. He only does it when I am there btw(she told me)

Anywho here’s how the next series of events unfold:

After putting the tyke to bed she come out. I was standing in the living room. She comes over and I give her a kiss:

Me: hi
Emma: hi

*make out for a few mins*

Emma: what are you thinking?
Me: Nothing. Just thinking about you.

*make out moar*

Emma: What..?
Me: Nothing.

*make out even moar*

Emma: What…?
Me: Would it offend you if i ask if we could go inside?

*she grabs me and we make out even more*

So at this point while still making out… I inch her twords her bedroom across from the living room. We make it at the door:

Emma: *while biting her lips shut* Nuh-uh.

*me grabs her and make out*

She stops kissing me and and does the closed lips "nuh-uh" thing again.

*me go for another make out session. I grab one of her legs up. a little later i pick her up and we’re still making out.*

After my strength giving out i put her back down. She goes:

Emma: You’re normally very reserved. That right now wasn’t you.
Me: What do you mean?
Emma: You are normally more solid than that.
Me: Elaborate.
Emma: I’m the high strung one, not you. That was non-reserved. I kinda liked that.

*so once again I go for more face sucking*

SO YES. I PUSHED AND PUSHED UNTIL THE THIRD "NUH-UH" COMES OUT OF HER. I ASKED HER WHAT WAS SHE THINKING. SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHERE THIS WAS GOING AND SHE DOESN’T WANT A LABEL.

OK WTF? I DIDN’T ASK ANYTHING OTHER THAN HINTING AT YOU KNOW WHAT.

Me: I don’t have an answer for where this is going because I at this point do not know. I don’t want a label either.
Emma: I still want to see you.
Me: …
Emma: Why did you choose me? You know that this is wrong. You know that you will ultimately do the right thing. You know that your family will never approve a divorced single white mom.

WELL FUCK GUYS. I HAD LIKE A FLASH BACK HERE AND I AM ON THE RECEIVING END. DIDN’T I SAY THIS TO A GIRL ONCE? NOW A GIRL IS SAYING THIS BACK TO ME.

Me: Who said I am going to make the "right" decision. (right meaning that tradition thing of seeing/dating/marrying an azn gRill)
Emma: I don’t know…

like 30 seconds pass. seemed like fucking forever.

I yet again step closer like going for the kiss. She leans in and kisses me first. We’re there for another few minutes.

Emma: You need to go. it’s getting late and you have a long drive ahead.
Me: (*thinking WTF*) ok.

So i grab my jacket, put on my shoes. she walkes me to the door, which is like 5 feet away. I turn around and we have yet another heavy kinda wild make out session until she pulls away and goes:

Emma: You really need to go. You’re getting a little too tempting for me.

We get to the door. I see her wanting another kiss because she tries to lean in but then just nites her lips shuts and pulls away. I did think I heard another "nuh-uh"

So what other choice do i have at this point other than to leave. I tried pushing it. But got denied 3 times with the "nuh-uh’s".

Was there anyway that I could have closed this deal? help!

Oh and i got staff meeting in the morning. She sits right next to me. GOD WTF!? I THINK I AM CALLING IN SICK.
It’s not the end of the world and if something like that will stop you going to work, you should really stop getting intimate with workmates, unless you don’t care about your job.

Seems to me like you have to show her that you are over having to live like your family and live for yourself and your wants and beliefs.
it was probably a little too soon for sex for her, a lot of (the good kind) single mothers tend to be reserved about sex. She doesn’t want to spread her legs for you until she knows you’re not going to disappear on her.

You need to let her know that it doesn’t matter whether your family approves or not, that you make your own decisions, and, you want her.

Tell her you’re not sure where this is going exactly, but that you are sure that you like her and want to continue seeing her.

Did. and did.

I guess i’ll just have to see where this goes.

In for finding out what exactly this means.
Keep at it. She just doesn’t want to give it up too soon.

yeah, sounds like a test to me too.
Lol @ responses.

Here’s today’s little update:

On my way to work i txt the gRill:

Me txt: Good morning Gorgeous.
Emma txt: Good morning. Did you sleep well?
Me txt: Yes i did.

she’s still talking to me.

Me txt: I’m stopping by for coffee. Would you like your usual?
Emma txt: Of course. How could I refuse.

Got to work. Went in for staff meeting. I get there early. No one has arrived yet. Popped the coffee at her seat before anyone shows up(two other dudes has interest in her. I didn’t want to make a scene. ). We sat next to eachother. Couldn’t talk to her. Didn’t want anyone to know that we went/go out.

So during the day she texts me a couple times here and there. I tried to stop by and talk to her but She was always busy with customers.

She did ask me if i wanted anything for lunch though.

Anywho the day drags on. She leaves before I do so i didn’t get to see her. But I did get a text:

Emma txt: What are you doing after work?
Me txt: I dunno. nothing planned. I’m open for suggestions.
Emma txt: I’m going to get (her son’s name) then I’m going to (her dad’s name)’s house. He has something for me.
Me txt: ok.

*About a half hour later*

Emma txt: Are you interested?
Me txt: Interested in what. (some time has passed and i dunno what she was asking. well i did have a clue but i wanted to see what she would ask next.)
Emma txt: To (her dad’s name)
Me txt: Only if you want me to accompany you.

So after my shift is over. she meets me at work and we all go in my car to her dad’s. On the way more chit-chat blah-blah.

We get to her dad’s house. We go in. little chit chat. (i’ve met her dad before if i haven’t noted it yet. it was at that jailbait pool party) Then we went out to go eat.

So at the restaurant. we were all seated. we ordered. food came. I get a call from work. one of my employees needed help on an order so i excuse myself and go outside to talk.

Emma told me later on the drive home that when i left to take the phone call she had a convo with her dad. she said that her dad asked if she was bringing me over to thanksgiving. Emma said she doesn’t know. then she said her dad asked if he should invite me over instead.

Anywhoo, we finished eating. went back to her dad’s place. grab stuff he had for Emma. While Emma and her dad was packing the things. I was with her son playing video games. Emma came in and just gave me a kiss. She said thanks.

We leave. I take her back to her car at work. She goes home. I couldn’t kiss her because there could be people at work that may see us.

That’s about all today.

She did text me afterwards and said thanks for coming. and that she loves that i am "so wonderful" with her son.

Guess we’ll see what happens next.

what happens next is what SHOULD have happened with the last one.

And if you still really can’t tell, she’s laying down, on her back, with the runway lights on.
Just keep a steady hand on the throttle and guide this plane into the hangar.

No sudden moves and you’ll be doing just fine, so gird your loins and get it done.

Good advice. You’re pretty much as good as gold… you’d have to fuck something up bad to not get in her pants.
damn i’ve read every one of your posts we_todd. good job man, your progressing very well since your first thread.

im wondering what happened to the other girl? do you still talk to her or see her around? just curious.

btw, whats your vietnamese name. im vietnamese too.
Good luck with this, seems to be going fairly well.

Going good for the most part. Might I ask though, is it her or you who doesn’t want the people at work to know the two of you are going out?

Because, unless she’s told you she doesn’t want others to know, your ‘avoiding’ her at work to not ruffle feathers might come across as being weak-spined and not as serious as she was hoping.

That does not mean you should be overt and make declarative gestures, but, at the same time, if you two are a couple, there is no harm in holding hands/being close. Just maintain proper workplace decorum.
You haven’t had a chance to respond to the above post addressing the workplace. None of us truly know what the people are like whom you work with. But I would suggest using caution in exposing your reationship. You don’t want undue attention, or to make anyone else feel uncomfortable. At my corporation we have many married folks working her, both the husband and wife are her. But until someone tells you, you would never know….it seems to work really well.

BTW, so you are vietnamse, did your grandparents come over or your parents? I’m only asking cause I was friends with someone in HS whos grandparents came over, speaking to him on the phone you couldn’t detect his heritage, I’m just wondering how that is affecting her dad’s opinion, appers not to be, so it got me wondering more about you.

In an ideal situation, that’s pretty much how it would be. However, I’m also willing to bet that the husband and wife don’t go out of their way to avoid showing affection to eachother.

Proper workplace decorum pretty much requires no overt displays of affection (ie making out in the breakroom, etc). At the same time, especially with two new lovebirds, observant people will notice, and gossip will ensue. He should be willing to deal with the rumors and whispers, and not feel the need to deny their relationship.

Although it seems like he is still giving off the, "I don’t control my life, daddy controls me," vibe… I think this one likes him enough to dismiss that, for now, and let the… hahaha… plane land in the hangar.

Other girl ended it. She said i was being disrespectful to her once and it will not happen again. so i quit contacting her.

She doesn’t want to create attention. Neither do I. She and my boss came from together from another store. My boss knows. So yeah I better not screw anything up.
Update:

So we both opened today. Saw her here and there as usual. Lunch comes:

Emma txt: What’s for lunch?
Me: What you feel like?
Emma tx: Don’t care. Just want your company.
Me: LOL. Ok.

We go to lunch. More little texts. Work ends. We leave.

So on my way home i get a text:

Emma txt: Would you really want to go an entire evening without seeing me?
Me: I dunno. Should I?
Emma txt: Do I have to make all the decisions around here?
Me: No. I already decided.
Emma txt: I would really like to see you.

So i head to her place. Mind you. it’s a 30-45 min drive to her house each way. :/

I get there. I see a truck that’s infront of her house. It’s her ex-husband. I come inside sit on sofa with her while the ex is in the room playing with his son. Ex come out and leaves.

FYI: I’ve never been introduced to the guy. After the first time i met him, she apologized for not introducing him but she said she just wanted to make a point to him.

So after that her son, her and i chill on the couch watching tv for a while till the little guy is put to bed.

Yup. Make out session time. We do this on and off for the next hour ever so often watching whatever show was on.

Little guy didn’t want to sleep so he wants to come out and play. She goes and put him to bed, I get up.

She comes out and points me to the sofa. I sit down and just straddles me. We make out moar all the while she proceeds to dry hump me. This goes on for a while. Heavy making out with grinding girl on top. I had my oakley skull buckle belt on. It sticks out a little and i think she was aimed on that and on my…. ummm.. let’s say "wood"?

By now we’re both breathing pretty hard and her grinding got very intense. She starts to shiver as if it was uber cold. She stops. Her face is all flushed red.

We chill. more chit chat small talk. I leave.

That’s about it.

BTW: She didn’t ask me outright but she said that her dad wanted her to invite me to thanksgiving. She said that if she didn’t invite me… her dad will personally do so.

She wants you to be more decisive. One thing that I noticed in your updates is that when she asks you a question, oftentimes you ask her a question back. BE A MAN, MAKE THE DECISIONS.

Other than that, you’re pretty much solid. She wants it… next time when shes grinding you, take off her clothes man, it’s not that hard.
Don’t screw this up dude, you are sooooo close. Though I’m betting you could have got some last night if you tried. Let your hands do some walking next time and see where it goes.

edit: Oh and at the plane analogy.
edit2: Yes make decisions more, you seem to be letting her dictate everything with regards going out to stuff.
Your posts are addictive – basically emotional crack but in all seriousness it sounds like you’re doing several things right. Next time, follow Johan’s advice and open the doors to the hangar.

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That’s what I meant by letting your hands go for a walk.
Oh and BTW go pick up some condoms if you haven’t already. lol.
dude, u better rip her clothes off next time or im gonna find u and cut ur balls off

ok bye

oh ya, bye condoms

That’s kind of fucked up……I wouldn’t like being used to play mindgames with the ex.
Ok… you need to start taking some initiative.

Like has been noted, you need to make decisions, women want a man who takes charge (but still accepts their input, its a fine line)

Especially with regards to sex, you must take control. Next time you’re making out like that, and she’s dry humping you, start taking off clothes. You wont have sex unless you take it all the way there.

…. and to threadstarter – you are doing well all supoort here for you

keep updating

Noted.

So today she was off. I worked. I get texts here and there as usual. My day ends like not too long ago. I get some texts:

Emma txt: Are you off work yet?
Me txt: Yup.
Emma txt: What are you doing this afternoon?
Me txt: Probably go home take a nap then go workout.
Emma txt: I missed you. It’s weird not having you there yesterday night.
Me txt: We can go for a record and make it 2 nights in a row. LOL.
Emma txt: You’re mean.
Me txt: So do you want to see me?
Emma txt: Yes.
Me txt: When?
Emma txt: 10 mins ago.
Me txt: LOL. what are you doing?
Emma txt: *blah-blah*
Me txt: I’ll have to fight traffic if i leave now. So when should I leave?
Emma txt: ASAP!

So now going to the drug store and buying… ehh… rubber… for the first time ever . Clothes will be flying off tonight.

Update? maybe.

fixed for future reference

Ya rly.
so he is stocking up on condoms hey?
good luck to you

and when you return..

details details details!!

my favorite line
Alright update on what happened tonight. Going into descriptive mode now so bare with me.

Left the house. Picked up some rubbers. Went to her place.

I get there, go in, quick kiss, went inside and we both entertain her son who was playing video games. We do that for a while then head out to watch teh TV.

Eventually she tells the little guy to go to bed but he starts whining, but goes to bed anyways.

So we sit on the sofa and make out for a while. She gets up, turns off the lights. TV still lit in the background. She walks over and I just grab her and throw her onto the sofa. I’m on top at this point.

*we start making out*

I wind up on my back on the sofa with grinding girl on top.

My hands at her sides, slowly guiding them up, eventually to her breasts.

I unbutton her blouse. It’s off with haste.

I pick her up. Put her on the sofa. She’s on her back again.

All this time we’re sucking face.

I try to undo her top. Doesn’t work. It malfunctions. She shakes her head slightly and softly says no.

We continue kissing.

At this point she’s on hte bottom but grinding up at me.

She reaches down. My belt comes off. My shirt eventually comes off.

Kiss ensues for a while longer.

She gets up grabs my hand and we go inside to her bedroom.

She turns around. Looks at me. I step up. pick her off hte ground and we kiss more, all the while i’m walking us to the bed.

I lay girl down. Try one hand at the bra again… doesn’t work.. I say help. She undoes it and it goes flying onto the floor.

I’m on top, grinding girl under me.

I reach down and undo her jeans. She does the same.

I get up. Jeans just drops and I help out the girl with hers.

I jump back on top and we continue for a while more.

She softly says:

Emma: stop.
Me: *stops*
Emma: Have you been here before?
Me: No.
Emma: Do you want to continue?

I just kiss her and she starts grinding at me again.

I slowly descend my kiss to her neck, tits, stomach until she pulls me back up to kiss her.

I reach down and start removing her little black thong. it comes off with ease.

So at this point I’m in my boxers on top a completely naked grinding girl, making out.

She breathing heavy, but stops me.

Emma: Are you sure?
Me: I don’t know now. What do you want?
Emma: I want it to be special for you. We don’t have to do it now. I want it to be special. I’ll be here waiting for you. I’m not going anywhere.
Me: ok

So yeah, my plane landed, taxi-ing down the landing strip but the hanger is closed.

I’m still on top of naked white girl. We talk. Kissing inbetween. blah blah. This goes on for hte next hour or so.

we get up. we dress. she walks me out. moar face sucking. i leave.

FYI: I DID NOT PUSS OUT. SHE DOESN’T WANT THE AZN PEEPEE JUST YET. EVEN THOUGH SHE DID REACH INTO MY BOXERS AND PET MY SNAKE. IF SHE’S GOING TO KEEP ASKING IF I WANT TO PROCEED THEN I DON’T THINK SHE IS JUST READY YET.

So during our small talk in bed. She basically says that she’s already fallen for me. She tells me that her dad keeps calling her and asking her about me. Asking if she’s invited me over for thanksgiving yet.

So anywho that leaves me here…. at the computer… typing this out.

Do i think i could gone the full way? Yes.

But, i think she still has a little doubt/concerns. That’s why she kept asking me if "DOING IT" was what i really wanted. I’m not going to pressure her. I think when she is ready she will stop askng me if i really want to "do it".

That’s it for now. I’ll see her tomorrow again.
Well, I think its safe to say your danger of becoming friendzoned has passed.

At this point in time, the most I could suggest is to continue, but dont push anything, just proceed relaxed. At the same time, dont let fear or trepidation stop you from doing what you want to do.
well done again.. ! she sounds like a great chick and is really nice to you and you deserve it after the other chick.

fingers crossed for you that you get to seal the deal next time
Emma: Are you sure?
Me: I don’t know now. What do you want?
Emma: I want it to be special for you. We don’t have to do it now. I want it to be special. I’ll be here waiting for you. I’m not going anywhere.
Me: ok

What the fuck dude? Did you say ‘I don’t know’ because you weren’t sure you wanted to do it, or because you were nervous? I’m guessing the second one…

Doesn’t sound at all like she doesn’t want it, it is you that she is wondering about.

She does sound like an awesome chick though, don’t let her get away.
Good Job! So if I read that right, she asked you if you had been there before……so I guess you are a virgin? I wasn’t here when you must have had a thread about the other not so nice girl, if it was discussed there….

Don’t expect to impress her your first time…..

Oh I was pretty sure I’d do it. I left out a little here and there but she asked more than the 2 occassions that i posted.

If i was nervous about it i don’t think i would have gotten her all the way naked.
FYI: Do not describe intimate details of your sex life on OT. If she knew… she would be angry. It is a betrayal.

Bingo. If she knew of your history before and she knew it was your first time, she wanted to make sure that you wanted it. She was all game.

She was more than willing to go all the way… otherwise, she wouldn’t have stripped naked and played with your pee pee.

BUT, as the others have said before, you are solid. It’s just a matter of time. Next time, don’t say "I don’t know," it shows indecisiveness on your part.

Yeah foreal, keep OT far, far away from her eyes.
Lucky for you, you finally managed to find a girl who’s willing to deal with your…..limitations.

You want this to be real? Stop being in such a boyish rush to fumble around.
Ease back and be real, be there.

You might want to discuss birth control too. If she’s on the pill….throw those rubbers out the sunroof as you’re speeding down the highway to her house.

Some other things to think about as you dash headlong into this. Teh herp and teh wart, for starters. They’re the gifts that keeps on giving…

If you’re old enough to be poking it, you’re old enough to start thinking about this.

just tell us how it is when you lose your virginity

My 1st asked me the same thing but I, unlike you (thread starter), dove right on in.
The right thing now, would be to plan to spend a nice Saturday evening with her. All evening. Stay there, don’t hump and run.

Sunday morning, have breakfast with her. Try and be more than you are. If you understand me.

Time to go.
So I closed the store saturday and am off sunday. She worked saturday morning and again early on sunday. So we didn’t plan on seeing eachother outside work for the next 2 days.

Since we’ve gone out, i think we have at least seen eachother every day or if so, gone only a night at a time apart. We have even joked about this.

So yesterday I get ready to leave and saw that she had left something at work. I text her:

Me txt: did you forget your jacket at work?
Emma txt: Guess I did.
Me txt: I can drop it off for you or you can just get it tomorrow when you come in. your call.
Emma txt: I think i REALLY need it.
Me txt: LOL. It’s not that cold in your house.
Emma txt: I don’t want to risk it.
Me txt: on my way.

So I head to her place.

Got there. She opened the door. She was wearing barely anything.

Let’s just say yesterday night the runway was clear, the plane landed and parked into the hangar.

So yeah.

Some time afterwards. Plane did take off again and did another landing and was parked in the hanger.

But both times the air show wasn’t that impressive but the people did have a good time. Pilot got nervous.
I fucking love this plane analogy.

It’s going well, you’re getting your flying hours up and your experience will open up many new types of aircraft.

Everything’s fine until someone wants to hijack your plane
Well this one’s about all wrapped up.

Isn’t it funny how quickly things can change for the better.

You could literally be 1 week away from having a simply awesome experience with a girl you barely now know.

To Everyone currently stressing out over some girl issue, or lamenting the fact that the "ONE" left long ago and they’ll "never" find another one……take note.
Congrats, now it would be a wise decision to delete this thread…I’m just sayin…
I think that i would like to retract everything I said about not giving details and… demand details. I demand details.

pics would be in order… this is still OT

I second both those requests.

put a black bar over the eyes and let’s see this airfield you chose for your first time.
What an inspiration You went from no experience with the womens to the seckz in only a few months.
yeah, pics please. no details, that’s wrong, but pics

WS of course. definitely. definitely WS.

(OTAH)

Hopefully he’s also enough of an inspiration that he can make you grow up and be able to maturely spell "sex" correctly.
well done, sounds like you are with a great personk and that helps a lot!

i too love the plane analogy!
Oh and to continue with plane analogy, in true OT fashion when she’s sleeping try the stealth bomber…

he should be waiting at least a month before he farts in her face while she’s asleep
I’ve been following this whole thread. In for showing support.
If you didn’t have anal sex with the naughty single mom, then you didn’t really lose your virginity. Just remember that.
I know this is OT so I’ll have to get a pic. Just think Emma Watson

I totally need more flight hours.

Oh please. Remember, not everyone out there likes or has any desire to try anal.

Denial.

I would sooo want to hear her squeal

Wow, let’s not get ahead of ourselves now. You just plundered one of her treasures, minus well wait a while before you make port in the hershey hole.

That’s good for you — but it’s not for me. Again: Not everyone out there wants to have or try anal sex.

just a little misogynistic payback huh? Just remember THIS one isn’t the last one.

THIS one has only treated you with kindness, gentleness and love, AND she’s given you access to her goodies box with no stupid, childish, little girl headgames.

Don’t squander what you have been given.

If SHE wants anal, fine.

Otherwise, don’t be an immature jerk just so you can "hear her squeal".

Complimentary WS pics of togetherness request

for the OT rooters

After the last one, I didn’t think you would get this close to another girl for a long time, so I haven’t even been checking in. Way to go!

i was joking
Really nothing to update.

Things are goind fine. She often tells me that she misses me when I’m not with her. I feel the same way.

Been hanging out with her and her son. We have a good time like always.

I did get more flight hours in. The air show participants had a great time. It seemed that this air show was better than the last.

as far as pics? Don’t have any yet. Once I do i’ll post it up.

After you didnt follow through with last night’s txt msg about picts I think she’s fake

EDIT: If Its not so fuckin 50 degrees tomorrow I may have to swing by

clear skies and besides you got heat in that crappy car of yours. stop by fucker!

plus, 50 degrees is too cold? shit man, I consider 50 degrees a warm day and take off my jacket.

Weak-ass Texans

Yes, I am invited to thanksgiving dinner at her father’s and his wife. My family does the thanksgiving thing too. So she asked him to move the dinner to early in the afternoon so that way I can make it. He did.
Things going good. I keep getting invited over for dinner by her dad. I was over there today with couple of other family members that’s from out of town. They tell me they heard alot about me.

Then I get invited to tomorrow’s dinner at her mom’s then again at her dad’s and his wife. Not to mention I have thanksgiving at her dad’s this thursday.

Anywho she also tells me that she’s on birth control now.

She says give her a few weeks? I dunno what that means.

give her a few weeks for the pill to kick in and youre ridin bareback on those flights of yours

no copilot for the win.

fixed your post

Damn right!
You’re probably the luckiest man alive when it comes to ladies.

Thanksgiving went great. Had a good time. Her dad let me take his vette out for a run before dinner. Girl told me that no one else had ever drove the thing other than him.

Met dad’s side of family and they welcomed me with open arms. But before I left, grandma took me aside and told me, "I know we haven’t spoken alot, but we need to find time because i have alot of questions for you."

But anywho, everything is going great.

The performances at the air shows are getting better and better. I’ve been performing new stunts and manuvers.

At the next air show I won’t need to fly with "landing gear"

oh shit the talk with grandma

Fuck you.

you’d better not fuck this one up…. at least not before introducing me to her

Uh oh…. prepare to re-live all those interrogation scenes from TV/Movies
This girl really seems to be pulling out all the stops in order to hook him and keep him.
Interesting…

Sounds too good to be true actually, more like a hollywood romance than real life.

Either he lives a charmed life or he’s spinning a pretty good tale.

Yes, it seems too good to be true. This is what like dreams are not real life, but I’m living it.

Met her mom and her husband the other day. it was interesting. They live out in the boondocks. Totally country folks. I did not know this about her. she says he a reformed cowgirl, lol. I don’t mind. kinda think it’s hot.

Friends and family were over for thanksgiving, and they thought it was totally weird that i do not drink.

yes, it seems so. I really really like the girl and have strong feelings for her… maybe starting to fall in love with her. But i feel guilty that i’m not putting anything into this? Not sure how to word it…

Basically i’m just there. I spend time with her and her son. I’ve gone with her to visit her mother’s place and her father’s place. other than that i’ve haven’t really done anything with her or for her.

I dunno. maybe someone can give me insight to what i am feeling and i’ll clear it up.
I’m thinking you feel that you’ve become a part of her life but she didn’t get to become a part of your life, ie : visit the family, the people she grew up with, etc.
You could just take her with you to a place you love, a restaurant where you went when you were a kid or show her (and the kid?) one of your hobbies maybe.
Time to spend more time with her and less time with the family in tow. Don’t forget that you have to build a relationship as well as your sex life… the sex may be great but it’s not the whole show. Be a friend as well as a lover.

Well, I tend to believe him, mostly anyways.

What I’m more wondering is…what’s wrong with this girl that she finds him such a desireable and worthy prize?

Without dissing the OP, but come on…

There’s definitely more to the psychological makeup of this girl.

This will be very interesting….

She’s the one that’s inviting me to see her family. I didn’t ask to meet them.

So how do i find out what’s "wrong" with her? do i need to? If so how am i going about this?

I know it’s only been like a month since I have gone out with her, but i feel attached. I think i am falling for her. I do not know why or have an answer for it now. I find myself missing her when I don’t see her for a day.

She once told me that i’m her "once in a lifetime" and she doesn’t know what she did to deserve me.

Supposedly her dad thinks that i am good for her. that’s why he treats me the way he does i guess.

I’m just going with the flow at this point. Everything else will follow.

truth

I choose to believe him as well, simply because I lose nothing by choosing to believe him, and gain hope that there are quality women still out there that are single

As for her psychological makeup, yes, it will be interesting, although, there are many possibilities which are not red flags, not the least of which would be, she’s had one guy who didn’t work out, and now she wants a stable, secure guy. It’s also possible she’s always had a bit of a crush on him, and heard from the other girl about his inexperience, and so decided she needed to make a move if she wanted anything to happen.

Either way… I’m certain we’ll see more posts.

Dont.

Dont

Do Not try to figure out what’s wrong with her. You’ll only wind up destroying what could very well be a good thing.

If she has serious psychological issues, then they will become apparent. Once they do, you can decide whether you can live with them or not. As for psychological issues, every last one of us has issues, its just most of them are relatively minor and we can deal with them.

It’s obvious her last relationship didn’t work out, however, you dont know just what went wrong or how bad it was. It’s very possible she was emotionally abused for a great deal of time, leaving her with a devalued sense of self-worth. It’s also possible that you are just what she’s looking for. After all, we here on OT do not know that much about you, all things considered.

In summation: Don’t over analyze things, just go with the flow and enjoy the time you have with her. If things are going to go wrong due to issues beyond your control, there’s nothing you can do about that, so don’t worry about that possibility.

Also: I understand you’re falling for her, but don’t become exceptionally clingy or needy. Everyone needs their own space, and if you start to crowd her, then you will chase her away and drown the flower that’s growing in her heart in the process. Continue on like you are. Don’t obsess about being overly clingy too Just relax, and remember to do things by yourself/with your family/friends as well.

agreed. if there’s a problem worth finding, it will show itself regardless.
I agree that something fishy seems to be up…maybe. But ameter’s right: just go with the flow. Do what you’ve been doing so far, it seems to have been working no?

I’d like to also state the possibility that the rest of us are just cynical and jaded, and the girl you have really is an ideal specimen

AGREE 100%

to the thread!!!

DON’T START LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS.

No offense Johan but that was a fucked up thought to put into his head. Doubt is poison.

I’ve known plenty of forward girls that would pretty much rape you if you weren’t making a move.

Don’t worry about it dude.
Yeah, don’t go and try to figure out if something is wrong with her because there is nothing wrong. She just has genuine feelings for you that likely can’t be explained. You won’t find an explanation for them either. She is probably falling in love with you just as you are with her. You may not be able to say it yet, but you will know when the time is right.

Just enjoy what you have together now!
Update:

So a couple of nights ago i went to her house to spend some time with her and her son.

The little guy was more than a handful that night and i can see her getting irratated. After she took care of what needed to be done and put him to bed we sat on the sofa and watched tv.

I was sitting inthe middle of the sofa and when she went to sit down she just sat at one end away from me and she was quiet. This was not her so i started the convo:

Me: What’s wrong?
Her: Nothing.
Me: No, there is something wrong. I know. You’re being quiet and that’s not you.

at this point she looks at me and i’m staring right at her.

Her: Why are you putting up with this? Why do you want to put up with him?
Me: It’s my choice. You make me happy and I want to see you and everything that goes along with you, including him.
Her: But you deserve so much better. He’s not even yours. You shouldn’t have to put up with all of this. I want you to walk away. I’ll understand. You deserve more than this.
Me: I’m just not going to walk away. When I decided to start seeing you, I knew what I was walking into. I have no problem with you (being white, divorced, has a kid). I know that he isn’t mine and i understand that he’s always going to come first. I have no problem with that.

*long moment. she just sits there being quiet*

Me: Why do you think I have a problem with this? I am still sitting here. Here with you.
Her: but you deserve so much better… blah blah

I reconfirm that i have no problem with her son or herself… blah blah

So after i finish my blah blah. she just grabs me and kisses me. eventually she leads me into the bedroom and i get more flying time. but half way through, she stops and says "I can’t do it."

me =

So i stop mid flight. I don’t know what’s going on. I feel like my plane just got hijacked:

*she lays right next to me hugging me*

Her: I’m sorry. I’m so sorry.
Me: Why are you sorry? If you don’t want to do it we don’t have to.

at this point i think she has tears in her eyes.

Her: I don’t want you to be dissapointed in me. I wish I could be the perfect girl for you but i am not. I have too much baggage.
Me: I am not dissapointed in you. You are perfect for me. You just don’t see yourself the way i do. blah blah.

So after moar talk. I get dressed and head home. Normally she texts me on my way home. but i didn’t get anything that night.

Today i was off from work. She wasn’t. I asked her if i could take her out to lunch today. when i went to pick her up for lunch "T" (guy that broke up with his fiance because of Emma) was there smoking with her.

At this point I think that he only suspects that we were going out.

I walk up to them and say hi. then i ask her if she was ready. She goes yeah… and then SHE ASKS T IF HE WANTS TO GO HAVE LUNCH WITH US. wtf?!

I don’t know if this is a good thing or bad thing. I’m on my day off, come up to work to take a co-worker out to lunch. He has to know that something is up between us.

During lunch we all had convos and it seems that T already knows. Maybe she already told him about us. I could care less but he’s a sniper and she was once his target. I dunno what to think at this point. I have asked her what’s up with inviting him to lunch.

I’m just rambling now. I don’t know what to say or even if i should ask her about any of this.

I gotta go hit the gym to releive some tension. hopefully someone can give me tips or tell me what not to do…
don’t overthink and don’t jump to conclusions that you’ll start acting on
Well, why don’t you decide what it is you want from/with her.

The way to proceed becomes pretty clear after that.

And the fact that she has baggage? Well, she has issues, that’s clear from this episode, but was also hinted at in earlier behaviour which is what I was (gently) hinting at without just coming out and saying it.

Anyways, regardless, that part is irrelevant, that’s just for my own amusment.

The important thing here is to figure out for yourself what YOU want to happen. Forget about her and her thing, for now.

We can take it further after you decide, it’s really not that complicated.
tell her this

shes too good for you if anything, and that you know what you were walking into, and you were prepared, and dare i say, break out the l word.
I think you could go on and on to her about how you feel why you’re there, but she will have to realize it on her own. She is probably trying to push you away to test you to see how real your feeling are. She is probably falling in love with you and starting to question things. Woman get this way at this point in relationships. They start to question everything, think they are not good enough, etc. It may take some time, but she will come around.

One thing to try may be: If you really truly feel as strongly as you do, let her know. If you think you have fallen in love with her, say "I love you", "I am falling love with you". This may be what she needs to hear to reaffirm her feelings and stop her questioning. However, don’t tell her this if you don’t mean it.

My wife and I went through this early in our relationship. We got through her questioning my feelings and our relationship without me having to tell her I loved her even though I did. We waited until we were in love to have sex. So I knew she was in love with me, but I had never been in love so didn’t know how it worked. I didn’t want to just say it because I thought it might look like I was saying it to have sex. Even though I knew I was falling in love with her. So I just waited until I felt it was right to tell her. I think I realized I was in love with her when I could see myself spending the rest of my life with her. Which I had never experienced in any previous relationship.

However, everybody is different. I hope this helps you think things through. I wouldn’t read too much into the T deal. She may just be confiding in him as a friend and looking for advice. I think you’d be safe in asking about the lunch situation.

I’m guessing this advice comes more from what you’ve seen in movies and less from actual experience.
It seems pretty simple. She’s trying to hold you at arms length. Her reasons for this arent readily apparent yet, however, there’s not a whole lot you can do about it, except perhaps show her just why she is a pretty good catch.
So I just read this whole thing from start to finish tonight, and I give you props on the good success…you will do well to heed the objective advice on these pages…these OTers sound like they’re looking after you.

Now from a 3rd party perspective seeing all this happen in one read…here’s what I can offer:

1. Take charge…women are women, and they biologically want a man who can be in command. So take charge, take her out, tell her you want to see her, tell her you’re going to take her out, not asking her if she wants to, etc. And when something comes up in the bedroom about "are you ready?" from her, you say yes, and you explain why and you put her in your explanation and tell her how she makes you feel. If she makes you warm, tell her, if she makes you smile, tell her. If she makes you wake up and see sunshine on a rainy day, tell her. She’ll let you in.

2. As for telling you that you can do better, etc. she’s testing you and afraid to fall for you. Sounds like she already has a bit. She’s telling you this because that’s what she assumes she looks like to you (a bunch of baggage) because that is the social expectation for a divorced young mom. So you need to give her affirmation of how you feel about her. When she says something like that to you, don’t get concerned looking or worried looking or over serious or anything. Pause, take a breath and smile/smirk. Then proceed to tell her "you know how I see you? this is how I see you…" and describe everything you love about her. That’s affirmation, and that will re-establish her p.o.v. on what you think of her.

3. You need to have sex with her. /thread. Just be confident again, and tell her you’re ready and she makes it special.

4. FORGET the "don’t want people at work to talk" bullshit. She won’t make the move, if she says you guys are official, she might seem like a stalker to everyone/you, so she won’t. You need to make it official with you guys. Don’t say "wanna be my geee-efff?" Sum up the last few weeks/months or however long it’s been, and tell her she’s the only person you’re interested in, and you want to call her your girlfriend, your significant other, the girl you love. She’ll love hearing this, I promise you.

Just be yourself, sounds like that’s working for you and that you’re an honest guy. Be affectionate and confident, the right mix of this will have her melt for you, and you’ll be happy with yourself. Good luck and keep the updates going!

I’m 22, I’m just learning a lot of this stuff, because I’ve always been the softie mofo.

I’m currently dating a girl, who just turned 21 with a 19 month old daughter

On the last page, she asked a lot of the same things your girl did "Why do you want to do this, why are you here, etc etc"

I told her flat out, her daughter is adorable, and both of them are wonderful, she’s a great mother, mature and just all aroudn great

She was happy then friday when we went out for my birthday, she freaked out,…. She is getting deeply attached to me already and she doesn’t want me to be like her baby;s biological dad

YOUR GIRL IS PROBABLY FEELING THE SAME WAY!!!!

She asked T along because she is still somewhat afraid, back off for a day or two, ignore a couple texts then out of the blue CALL HER and ask whats up, if she mentions the texts say "Sorry I didn’t get any of them??? and act all confused"

You seem to have a good thing going,a nd this new twist will make things a little hard

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

Something I learned and YOU NEED TO LEARN

We learn at a VERY young age that it fucking HURTS to FALL!!! So DON’T FALL IN LOVE WITH HER……… into love with her!
Next time you take her out to lunch, make it clear that you are taking her out to lunch, so that she doesn’t invite third parties along for the ride.
V do I have to come to your area and test drive a lexus tomorrow just so we can have lunch and chat?

send me a txt. I just read a few pages and hmmmm
holy crap. this is in plano, tx? right down the fucking street from me? (in richardson, not austin).

Well, maybe she feels, because of her experience, that she isn’t worth it (maybe because some guys acted like she wasn’t worth anything) or maybe it’s just that she’s afraid of getting hurt. Some people THINK they prefer to be alone than to suffer from being with others but, in the end, they aren’t happier.
I’m late to the thread but we need another update!

BTW, has anybody else noticed that for a two year old that kid sure plays a lot of video games?

Alright.

Saturday I was invited over to her Father’s home for a bbq. Nothing really happened other than i did that bonding thing with her dad while helping him out grilling the meat.

Sunday I was out of town so we only texted eachother back and fourth.

I was off today. I asked her if she was having lunch with me today. She told me she was and she takes lunch at 11. I told her I was picking her up then.

I get ready to go and was there at work about 5 mins before 11:

Me txt: Ready when you are.
Her txt: Are you here?
Me txt: Yes.
Her txt: You are going to kill me! "T" is coming to lunch with us.

Me txt: Ok.

So at this point i was really dissapointed. I come in on my day off to take her to lunch. to see her. not him.

We go have lunch. T goes " since you go lunch last time we’ll just trade and I’ll get lunch this time"

I hope he doesn’t think that there will be a next time.

So we eat. then i drive them back. they get out of the car. i just tell her that i’ll talk to her later. I leave.

On my way home i get her texts:

her txt: you are upset and i’m sorry. i was put on the spot and felt obligated.

** so i don’t understand why she feels obligated. at this point i don’t really know if she’s saying she feels obligated to me or to him**

me txt: don’t worry about it.
her txt: i am. tell me what is bothering you.

** i don’t respond to this. she calls me from the work phone. i don’t pick up because i was with my sister at this point**

so basically i text her that i don’t want her to feel obligated to going to lunch with me if she already had plans. i don’t want to be or feel like the third wheel. if she already had lunch plans just tell me.

she txts me back saying that "T" asked to come along and she felt obligated to invite him. she says i’m never the third wheel with her. (but did i feel that way at lunch)

Me txt: Why do you feel you were obligated to invite him to lunch?
Her txt: I can’t do this
Me txt: Ok.
Her txt: I don’t want you to be upset at me. that’s not fair.
Me txt: Don’t worry about it.
Her txt: I am!
Me txt: I am not upset at you.

that’s that last of the texts.

First of all, T knows that emma and I are seeing eachother. He knew that we were going to lunch today so why did he ask to come along? Is he trying to screw with me because I’m seeing her instead of him? That is what pisses me off.

I don’t understand why she feels obligated to take him along for lunch…
this is starting to sound more like the female gender i know.

Good luck.
Next time say no. You don’t want T to come to lunch. It’s also not fair if her to expect that you’ll never be upset with her – come on, EVERY relationship has its ups and downs, even friendships.

Take her out to lunch. Just you and her. Don’t take "T’s coming too" for an answer.
At this point you need to be able to summarize your progress better than this… or I fear you are a permanent basketcase. The fact that you can’t summarize means you have no perspective. You can’t extract a narrative.

Bad sign. Who can read all that?
I think he needs to put his foot down..

You are dating HER not "T" and "T" needs to back the fuck off….
I wonder why you can’t tell Emma that you’d like a quiet little lunch, just the two of you.

Can the truth really be that awful…?
jesus fuck. what a roller coaster this thread is.
to to to to

Last post: Its her trying to protect you from her. Shes got some inner things going on and frankly its best to let her deciede when they are gona come out. Shes gona push you away in hopes that it protects you. Its wierd how it works. I cant give you the answer but taking the stress of that out at the gym is much better then taking it out on her.
T is totally cock-blocking but I an actually understand her being too polite to say no to him coming to lunch….once in a while.

I wouldn’t make a big deal of it but the next time you guys are alone you should jokingly bring it up and just tell her that it’d be cool if it were just the two of you going to lunch. She can make up some reason for T not to tag along.

p.s. don’t fuck this up. sounds like she’s really into you
From what I can tell, T is taking advantage of her ‘inner things’ going on to keep you away from her.

pretty much, and he knows if he can keep this up, he’ll drive enough of a wedge between them to probably break them apart
That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I would say to her, why can’t you just tell T I am sorry, but Todd and I have lunch plans today maybe some other day. He knows you two are dating so she doesn’t have to be secretive about you two going to lunch with him.

I would tell her that it does bother you some, but you don’t want to upset her either. I can see you are trying to let her off that way, but she can still tell that it upsets you. You need to talk to her about. There is obviously some history between them, and you can probably trust her, but it’s him you need to look out for. Most guys have 1 thing on their mind when it comes to women.
Let me back this up a little. I do not certainly know that T knows that we are going out or seeing eachother. I have a strong feeling that he does though.

Update:

After my last post, I did talk to the gRill and told me how that bothered me. How she feels obligated to bring him along. I still don’t understand that part. They are friends but can’t they just go to lunch some other time? and not when i’m on my day off and wanting to take her out and not him?

Anywho, after we talked i asked her if she still wanted for me to come over. She said yes, and I ended up staying this last whole week at her place.

What still bothers me is not her having him as a friend. I don’t care about that. What does bother me is that if T knows if we are going out and trying to butt in on purpose. That is what bugs me.

You spent the whole week at her place….so you are obviously close. So…. what’s the problem?

Yeah, I guess it would be too easy to just say in an easy going, casual, but firm manner:

"hey T, how bout a rain check buddy. Emma (or whatever her name is) and I are having a quiet little lunch today".
"I’m sure you understand…right?"

You do not actually wait for an answer.

You say this with a easy-going, open smile. But all the while you are looking him straight in the eye.

Unless he’s a complete turd, he’ll get the picture.

But nah that would be too easy to just assert yourself.
Don’t let your insecurities screw this up.

When are you going to have pics of Emma for us?
You are obviously in the place you want to be in the relationship with her and you want to protect that. You probably have the trust in her, it’s that T that you have to look at for. There is a good chance he wants to be friends with her, but come on most guys usually don’t just want to be friends. However, I would try explaining this to her. She probably just thinks he is a nice guy and is her friend. However, you know that he has trying hooking up with her before and was the cause of the breakup with his fiance. I would talk more with her about it. Ask her if he does know you two are dating, she probably has confided in him about your relationship. If he does know tell her you feel like he is imposing. Maybe next time she tries to bring him say, ‘Sorry, i had plans for the 2 of us that is why I came here on my day off, may you and T should go to lunch’. She then may think twice about inviting. Just running through some ideas, but you gotta go with your gut feeling on this one.

Good job on the week end stay. She must be okay with you being there with her son when he wakes up, or was he with daddy this past weekend? What does your family think of you not coming home this weekend? Hope things keep going well for you.

no, really?
wow another good read

i read we_todds last thread about girl 1….

keep em coming.

I can see it now. This is the beginning of something that will be huge in the future.

"The We_todd saga, ‘From shy virgin, to international casanova, an autobiography.’ Now available for the first time in its complete 37 volume set this autobigraphy documents We_todd’s transformation from his first attempts all the way to the collapse of his international male escort agency for supermodels. An agency with Todd himself as the only escort, it serviced all of Victoria’s secret models as well as international celebrities. The agency, called ‘Pilots’ as reference to his early descriptions of his encounters, reached international acclaim during litigation between the makers of Cialis and Viagra over the rights to advertise their respective product on the limited available space on Todd’s penis…"

you forgot Golden Palace Casino

And what’s worse… he’s Asian. So space is REALLY limited, there

prime real estate my friend. prime real estate.

So We Todd, I’m real curious………..what are you going to get her for Christmas?? And her kid?

Hey, don’t be ashamed to fly Cessna; not everybody can have a 747 at their disposal

I’m getting her a fossil watch (her watch she wears doesn’t really work? lol) and a gift cert to victoria’s secret. she wanted a robe. i dunno how to pick one so she’ll have to do it herself. then there should be extra to get herself something that i’d be able to enjoy

her kid. i got him some learning video games. no toys cause he has too many already. i’m going to get him a game or two for the game boy that i bought him for his birthday last month.

as long as the passenger gets to the destination who cares right?

eh, you guys go out out since the other guy thing
Curious to know, have you told your family about this relationship yet? How did they react?

Where by passengers he meant sperm, around 300 million of them per shot.

That’s one cramped cessna.

Go back to the beginning and read the whole thread.

So where’s the pics, then?

Nope. haven’t told them yet. THey suspect. if they bring it up i’ll tell them.

Not really. just been seeing her basically every day. she says she misses me and keeps wanting me to come over. says she misses waking up and i’m there in the morning and me being there at night.

no pics. no oppritunity to take any. it’s going good with the girl so there may not be pics.
Take her on an impromptu mini-vacation… take a weekend you two have off and go somewhere, just the three of you

Its both a good excuse to take pics, and it’ll also be healthy for the relationship
Patiently waiting for another update what happened at Christmas??

Way to stand up to your parents.
The more changes, the more stays the same?

You’re still a coward to your parents. You’re walking into the same situation as you had before. Descend some nuts and tell them that you have a woman, and that she’s important to you, and that they WILL treat her with respect and that you will be with her regardless of what they think, as this is your life and you are a man and you will do what you damned well please.

Okay, I’ll do the update for him:

On Christmas I was supposed to head over to her house at noon but I decided to surprise her and go an hour early. I get over there and open the door and see Emma and T going at it like horny, pornographic little rabbits. They didn’t notice me and I was confused with what to do so I quietly shut the door and went home. An hour later she sends me a text.

Her txt: Are you on the way?
Me txt: Fuck you skany little whore.
Her txt: Huh?
Me txt: Um, just kidding. I’m not feeling well so I’ll just see you tomorrow.
Her txt: What’s going on? Are you mad at me for some reason?
Me txt: No, don’t worry about it. I’ll just see you tomorrow.

Next day she tries texting me and calling me but I just ignore her calls. I’m still thinking of how I should bring this up and whether I should confront both of them about it or not.

Tuesday I was off but her and T were working. I decided I would wait for lunch so I can talk to them together. I follow them to Denny’s and confront them while they’re eating:

Me: So tell me Emma, does that burger taste as good as T’s cock did the other day?
Her: What are you talking about? Are you accusing me of something?
T: (almost choking) You know?
Me: Fuck you, of course I know. How long has this shit been going on for?
Her: I didn’t do it on purpose. It just happened…
Me: This is why my mom told me not to date white girls. I think I know where we get the expression for "White Devil" now.
Her: I’m sorry. Let’s work it out.
T: Dude, you should just go now.
Me: Fuck you T and the fucking camel you rode in on (he’s persian)! I don’t need this shit!

That’s when I pulled out my dad’s handgun I borrowed and shot both of them right between their eyes. I can’t go home because the police will be there so I’m posting this from Fazle’s house right now. I’m going to crash at his place for a while until I figure out what to do next.

Any suggestions?

hahahaha

Sorry, it was funny because the tone is EXACTLY like his.
Nothing really to update.

got her a Victoria’s secret gift card among other things.

she bought some cute outfits

just spending time with her and with her kid.

more flying hours yadda yadda.

everything is going good. no hijacks. (cept that one time when the little guy walked in on us )

.
I walked into this thread after reading his previous one, and I skipped to page 11… I thought this guy was a fucking stunt pilot.

Happy ending, then?

Gee way to go bumping a 3-4 month old thread

I just read 11 pages and there’s no fucking conclusion to the tale
yeah way to go to bump the thread it got me hooked..and read the hwole thing…hope all is well
I just sat and read the whole thread. In for updates!
i think she took him out to the farm for a satanic ritual and they sacrificed him
Nothing but greatness has happened.

I’m really enjoying what i have and can get used to this.

She just makes me feel awsome. RAWR!

Still need to get pics.

I’m at a really happy point in my life.

You said you still needed to get pics 11ty billion years ago

But good to hear. How’s the little guy doing?

ill make it simple for you, cut and dried, in the spirit of all the ‘advice’ given in this thread.

Tell her you want to take her for a scenic trip. Nowhere special, just go for a drive to the wilderness (mountains are ideal) go for a scenic, easy hike, then take pics of her, her and the kid, all of you, etc
Going to pull a Peyomp here:

Have you told your parents yet?

well well well havent things progressed

promise rings mean nothing
wake me when you get the engagement ring

oh, and where are the pics?

its some contrived thing which was made up for guys to buy girls. Basically its a symbol of his promise to marry her someday
V. come now. a promise ring and I havnt met her. ugh really?

thread deleted?
holy shit

the pilot analogy

and congrats
So a promise to marry her someday = half arsed engagement

more or less

its basically an engagement to get engaged – or, as i said, something contrived to suck money out of wallets

weird, a 1 got added
Wow, crazy thread, just read it all.

This T guys needs to back the fuck off ASAP, she’s wrongly using him to make you jealous simply to make her own affections for you ‘valid’ in her own mind. This T whilst being played, is also more likely to land him some action due to this also.

You need to go to Level 2 bro.

You’ve got the nice guy part down, but to own her ass properly you need to start hitting it proper style so she goes crazy wild for you. Bring on the stage when all she wants to do is fuck – Then you can put her on sexual rations and this point is the ‘total ownage’ point.

Finally remember, when a bird is crying and asking ‘why’ etc, never initiate the sex, this was a mistake you made earlier and hence fuelled her ‘he just wants me for sex’ paranoia.
Wow, just read the whole thread. Gives me hope that there might still be decent women out there.

Updates?

Dude just disappeared.

T killed him

he posted last on 12/18 so hopefully he comes back at some point.

Yup, definitely needs to update .
wtf i just read all of this even tho it was like 1 year ago

updates

.

i like your av
wtf iiinnnn for upddateeE?
mariage? babies? !"

dude hasn’t logged in since 12/18/07..hopefully this means he is spending more time with the lady and MUCH less on OT.

Mooved in with her in may of 07ish? Still here.

where are da pics?

holy shit, lol.
Damn, I just read this entire thread way better than TV!
Great thread
I just read the whole thing…
Congrats We_Todd…

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