I got this cousin. The woman is so fucking smart. She joined the Navy and went into the Naval academy. She graduated in the top 10% of her class. She has a picture of the VP (Joe Biden) handing her her diploma at graduation.

Who do you know that has a picture like that?

She left graduation for Pepsicola Fl to fly jets.

They say Jealousy is a sin. Fuck that. I think she is awesome. She is my uncles daughter. I look at her and I imagine what my life COULD have been like if I had made some different decisions. Yeah I am jealous, but in a good way. I like seeing good things happen to her.

They said she couldn’t fly, she weighed to little.
Know what they signed her up to do?
Pilot remote controlled subs.
How fucking cool is that.
I was like, ‘Holy shit, so this is what you do when you can’t fly.’.

Still jealous.

Her Mother committed suicide a month ago.

Yesterday I got a phone call. My cousin had taken pills, they found her unconscious.
I don’t know if she was breathing or not when they found her. The term ‘revived’ was used, so that probably means that no she wasn’t breathing. But I don’t know with any certainty.

When I went to bed last night the last I heard was that she had not regained consciousness. My Mother said something about ‘she is out of the danger area’, I have zero idea what that is supposed to mean. My Father said to me that his brother is currently driving from Rhode Island to LA and that when he arrived his daughter might be dead.

There is a very real question of if there is brain damage or not.

I am very sad.

If you are the praying type, pray for Stilgar’s cousin. God will know who you are referring to.

Thanks.
I’m sorry to hear that, I hope everything is ok. I’ll keep her in my thoghts and prayers

Thanks. I may be an asshole, but she is a good kid.
I don’t trust anyone who isn’t an asshole sometimes. It means they’re lying to me.

Anyway, yeah, that’s seriously fucked up. Then again, I have to wonder if wanting to fly jets was really your cousin’s idea or her mom’s idea. I say this because people generally don’t kill themselves when they can’t meet their own goals — they just define new goals — but when they can’t meet goals that someone else has set for them, that’s a whole different kind of problem. Nobody wants to have to tell someone else they’re not as good as that person thought they were, that they didn’t really deserve the love and support they’d gotten from that person in the past. That shit weighs heavily on people. If your cousin thought for a second that her mom killed herself because she was so disappointed in her daughter that she couldn’t stand to live anymore, that would send almost anyone over the deep end.

I’m not the praying type, but I am the hoping type. I hope she gets better. The world needs more smart people, and it sure as hell doesn’t need fewer of them.
Thanks Deus.

I have a question. I might go to the military sub-forum and ask it. But if anyone reading this knows the answer, fire away.

As I said, she was in the Navy and she was getting geared up to do something that I think was incredibly neat.
Her major was oceanography. Who amongst us wouldn’t want to pilot remotely controlled subs for the Navy?

I am an aviation buff and was disapointed when she couldn’t fly, but to me this is every bit as cool as flying.

Anyways. You are in the Navy, gearing up to do this thing when your Mom kills herself.

You get depressed (who wouldn’t?) and the depression doesn’t hit.
For the sake of argument we are just going to assume that you see the need for some sort of help. Antidepressants and maybe some visits to the shrink for the short term.

If you went through with getting the help, what would be the repercussions to your Naval career? Would it be career suicide? Or just a blip on the radar?

I have been thinking about that. Both of her parents are Dr.s that can prescribe medication (Dr’s as in shrinks, phsychiatrists I think).
I have no idea about the military aspect, but if your cousin’s parents are(were) both psychiatrists, that means her ego probably never got a moment’s peace when she was growing up. If her parents had any inclination to try to influence her personality as a child, she wouldn’t have had a chance of resisting. It’s entirely possible she tried to commit suicide because in her mind half of her own personality died when her mom killed herself.
My prayers to you and your family TS.

Personally, had it not been for my reading of Dr. Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search For Meaning, I might not be alive today myself. Here’s the passage that perhaps most helped to save my life:

I remember two cases of would-be suicide, which bore a striking similarity to each other. Both men had talked of their intentions to commit suicide. Both used the typical argument — they had nothing more to expect from life. In both cases it was a question of getting them to realize that life was still expecting something from them; something in the future was expected of them. We found, in fact, that for the one it was his child whom he adored and who was waiting for him in a foreign country. For the other it was a thing, not a person. This man was a scientist and had written a series of books which still needed to be finished. His work could not be done by anyone else, any more than another person could ever take the place of the father in his child’s affections.

This uniqueness and singleness which distinguishes each individual and gives a meaning to his existence has a bearing on creative work as much as it does on human love. When the impossibility of replacing a person is realized, it allows the responsibility which a man has for his existence and its continuance to appear in all its magnitude. A man who becomes conscious of the responsibility he bears toward a human being who affectionately waits for him, or to an unfinished work, will never be able to throw away his life. He knows the "why" for his existence, and will be able to bear almost any "how."
I’m praying for your cousin. I wonder if she identified with her mother so much that she couldn’t see her own life without having her mother in it. When the most significant person in your life dies, it leaves an awful big hole. I don’t think the Navy would look upon her situational depression as a career ender, but a suicide attempt might restrict what they will let her do for awhile. She will have to be cleared by the shrink before they will let her do anything of a sensitive nature.
In the meantime, I hope she’ll be fine.

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